Oddly enough, I have been more troubled by the Vote to Leave in Wales than I have in England. I keep thinking of Wales as it was in the mid-1970s when I first got to know it: fiercely nationalistic, quite different from England, and poor. It feels as if it has been developed very significantly through EU, as well as Whitehall, subsidy – made more prosperous, with new roads and infrastructure. Now, it’s European, part of a much wider culture. It has its own pavilion in the Venice Biennale. What will happen ? It’s a version of the issues for England, but somehow more extreme. People think extreme nationalism can’t and won’t come back. But it can.